From richard at bhpc.org.uk Sat Jul 5 11:27:45 2008 From: richard at bhpc.org.uk (Richard Ballantine) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:27:45 +0100 Subject: [IHPVA-board-formal] Response from Al Krause In-Reply-To: <7a09b6170806261758k3f501044g9db67dd1d9828a50@mail.gmail.com> References: <7427.144.95.32.9.1214478539.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <53bdff2685486a055fa5fc3eacf3b687@bhpc.org.uk> <7a09b6170806261758k3f501044g9db67dd1d9828a50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2a0cce9a3e79baa3b2ee3da0a150f5@bhpc.org.uk> MEMO To: IHPVA Board From: Richard Ballantine, Chair Re: HPVA/IHPVA Apologies for the delay in communication re the HPVA/IHPVA. A health problem put me completely out of action for almost a week. Am recovering well, so - We should act now to properly establish an international HPV association which represents different HPV organisations around the world, maintains records of HPV performances, and promotes the development and use of HPVs. To fully realise this goal will take some time, but as a practical matter, we need to be operational as soon as possible. There are record attempts currently in process. We need to meet the immediate needs of competitors, yet provide for participation by the wider HPV community. I propose a balanced mixture of expedient measures and adherence to democratic principles, in a four-point program as follows: 1. Refute the Authority of the HPVA As Marcel van Eijk wrote: > As it stands now, it looks as if the HPVA has claimed to be THE > international HPV association. At this point, we should consider as > individual national organisations to each send a letter to the HPVA in > which we state that we do not recognise them as the international > association, and that any world record keeping will be organised by the > IHPVA as it was formed in 1996. It is in the interest of the > international > hpv community to have an association in which the majority of > organisations is represented. Marcel is right. Attempts at working things out with the HPVA have not been successful. It is time to send a clear message that we do not recognise the HPVA as the international association. I think a single letter, signed by the members of the post-1998 (the actual date of formation) IHPVA, will be sufficient. 2. Agree Observation by National Organisations Allow observation and verification of HPV record performances by national organisations, in accordance with IHPVA Competition Rules. As part of this change, recognise All Comers Records set within national boundaries. 3. Create a Record Committee Appoint an interim Record Committee, to assess and confirm HPV record performances. 4. Establish the IHPVA Jean-Charles Gosselin wrote: > We are tight on the schedule. We have to build the really > international IHPVA now. Here is how I see things : > 1. Write bylaws for an International association made of national > associations. I think it is easier to keep the national level to have > identified representatives from all country. National associations can > be made of several associations (let say recumbents, rowing bike, > foldables, trikes, velomobiles...) who joigned together to promote > HPVs and get affiliated to the IHPVA. These bylaws must be simple as > we have to move forward, we can modify them later if needed. I agree that simple is best. However, work on creating bylaws for the IHPVA began in 2001, and one of the first things we learned was that bylaws and a constitution or articles of association could not be done in stages. To be legally valid, bylaws must be fairly well-finished, and appropriate for the country where the IHPVA is to be based. As well, I think we need to open up the process of creating bylaws to the wider HPV community. One good reason for this is to gain the benefit of wisdom and experience! The HPV community includes a lot of very bright people, and practical experience in the problems of associations. There are many issues which need careful consideration. Examples: how to deal with different organisations within a country; how to assign votes. And of course, we must avoid falling into the same trap as the HPVA, of trying to decide for others. Democratic participation is essential for support. And yet, we must move now! If we wait a year or two while the various issues are considered, the opportunity will be lost. I therefore agree with the proposal of Jean-Charles. we - Write a simple set of Articles of Association, as a free association of national HPV organisations, to be ratified at the WC2008. This will establish the IHPVA as it is now, with the changes noted in 1 to 3, above. The Articles will or could also provide to open a Working Group to create a more advanced set of Articles of Association, co-ordinated to the legal requirements of the country where it is proposed to base the IHPVA. These more advanced Articles, and the implementation of the IHPVA as a legal entity, could possibly be ratified at a World HPV Congress to be held in conjunction with WC2009 in the Netherlands. OK, that is the basic four-point program. I will draft a letter to the HPVA and submit for your consideration. I will also write a simple proposal for observation and verification of record attempts by national organisations. However, to make this work, we need a functioning Record Committee. Marcel has already suggested a few people from the Netherlands. We need people from other countries, too. Please, if you who know people who might be suitable, talk to them, and ask if their names can be put forward. Finally, and hardly least, we need to develop an Articles of Association. Work was done on this from 2001, and a set of Articles proposed in 2003 or 2004. They were rejected by the HPVA. I will look again at these documents, and see if they can be simplified and adopted for our needs. But I am in the middle of helping to organise WC2008 as well as working as an editor and need some help! That's enough for now. Fond regards, Richard From marcel.vaneijk at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 5 17:16:59 2008 From: marcel.vaneijk at xs4all.nl (Marcel van Eijk) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:16:59 +0200 Subject: [IHPVA-board-formal] Important - IHPVA creation : how fast can we go ? In-Reply-To: <7a09b6170807051004x47525d0dm921b1aaeca3c3b2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a09b6170807011531t4e7dbe5er8d962769eac84e77@mail.gmail.com> <8be51f588b73180b727e5372270bcb88@bhpc.org.uk> <20080704105831.GA19550@xs4all.nl> <7a09b6170807051004x47525d0dm921b1aaeca3c3b2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080705171659.GA74764@xs4all.nl> On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 07:04:29PM +0200, Jean-Charles Gosselin wrote: > Thanks to you for your quick answers. > > I first have to say I have a problem with my internet connexion at home so I > can not develop my ideas but the main points are : > - we must set up a real organization and define the way we are going to work > together, the rules we will follow. IMHO, we should keep close to the HPVA > rules and change only what really make sense. It will be easier to join > afterward. Else, we will split for a long time. The rules can remain as they are, they already belong to the IHPVA. Rule adjustements can be made by voting by the representatives. So, no hurry here. > - we have to do it quickly. As it now seems difficult to set up the new > IHPVA at the 2008 World's and I see no other chance this year to meet with > enough representatives, it means waiting for one more year (maybe at the > Cyclevision 2009). We have to agree on the bylaws, find a place for the > association. That is some work and discussions but I can not read many > reactions from the representatives. For now, the IHPVA is formed by the representatives of the different national HPV-organisations. It is only the US who has decided to withdraw themselves. This means bylaws are not required to have a IHPVA. > - the HPVA record committee is the only one at the present time that has > authority over HPV records. Actually they don't as they do only represtent the US HPV organisation. Therefore, a IHPVA record committee should be formed. I see no problem to do that before WC 2008. /Marcel NVHPV -- ga toch fietsen, dat is pas stil ... From richard at bhpc.org.uk Sun Jul 6 14:14:43 2008 From: richard at bhpc.org.uk (Richard Ballantine) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:14:43 +0100 Subject: [IHPVA-board-formal] Letter to HPVA Message-ID: Dear Fellow IHPVA Members - Herewith the text of the letter I suggest we send to the HPVA to refute their authority to act as the international association for HPV performances. I have made the letter as direct and simple as possible. I would like the letter to be unanimous from the IHPVA Board, and under the names of all IHPVA members. I've sent a query to HPV Denmark, who are not currently represented on the IHPVA. If anyone has a useful contact there, please let me know. Please let me have your comments/approval as soon as conveniently possible. Best wishes, Richard Ballantine ------------------------------------------------------------------ MEMO To: Al Krause/HPVA Board of Directors From: Richard Ballantine/IHPVA Board 8th July 2008 Dear Al and HPVA Board ? In response to your letter of 24th June 2008, the IHPVA do not recognize the HPVA as the international association. The IHPVA as formed in 1998 will continue to organize world record keeping of HPV performances. Sincerely, IHPVA Board Richard Ballantine ? Britain Jan Van Dyck ??Belgium Marcel van Eijk ? Netherlands Jean-Charles Gosselin ? France Ian Humphries ? Australia Tomas Linden ? Finland Christian Meyer - Deutschland Marc Tauss ? Switzerland Claes Unge ? Sweden From marcel.vaneijk at xs4all.nl Sun Jul 6 18:11:37 2008 From: marcel.vaneijk at xs4all.nl (Marcel van Eijk) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:11:37 +0200 Subject: [IHPVA-board-formal] Letter to HPVA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080706181137.GB10144@xs4all.nl> On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 03:14:43PM +0100, Richard Ballantine wrote: > Dear Fellow IHPVA Members - > > Herewith the text of the letter I suggest we send to the HPVA to refute > their authority to act as the international association for HPV > performances. I have made the letter as direct and simple as possible. > > I would like the letter to be unanimous from the IHPVA Board, and under > the names of all IHPVA members. I've sent a query to HPV Denmark, who > are not currently represented on the IHPVA. If anyone has a useful > contact there, please let me know. > > Please let me have your comments/approval as soon as conveniently > possible. > > Best wishes, > > Richard Ballantine > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > MEMO > To: Al Krause/HPVA Board of Directors > From: Richard Ballantine/IHPVA Board > 8th July 2008 > > Dear Al and HPVA Board ? > > In response to your letter of 24th June 2008, the IHPVA do not > recognize the HPVA as the international association. The IHPVA as > formed in 1998 will continue to organize world record keeping of HPV > performances. > > Sincerely, > > IHPVA Board > > Richard Ballantine ? Britain > Jan Van Dyck ??Belgium > Marcel van Eijk ? Netherlands > Jean-Charles Gosselin ? France > Ian Humphries ? Australia > Tomas Linden ? Finland > Christian Meyer - Deutschland > Marc Tauss ? Switzerland > Claes Unge ? Sweden Richard, I would sign the letter not only on behalf of the IHPVA board but explicitly on behalf of the national organisations. The NVHPV is an offical registered organisation, and as I am a board member, I can sign on behalf of them. /Marcel -- ga toch fietsen, dat is pas stil ...